“The late Song Hae’s saying ‘fairly’… The governor and lawmakers get rid of VIP seats” [한판승부]

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◇ Jae-Hong Park> Everyone will remember the sound of the xylophone ringing every Sunday and Sunday at 12:10 pm. National MC of the National Singing Contest, who has made the nation laugh and cry for the past 34 years, passed away last week at the age of ninety-five. So today, we have prepared a time to deeply commemorate Mr. Song Hae and think about it together. We invited a person who wrote a biography while accompanying our teacher Song Hae throughout the year. He’s probably the one who can tell me the most closely, in detail, and in depth. We invited Min-seok Oh, Professor of English Department, Dankook University. Professor, come here.

◆ Minseok Oh> Hello.

◇ Jaehong Park> Please greet writer Jin and Director Kim.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> Hello.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> It’s good that we only deal with hard issues and then deal with these issues. My heart is already warming. First of all, since you are a professor of English, I think a lot of people are wondering how you came to write a biography of a national MC.

◆ Min-seok Oh> By the way, once I was cast for this program, the title was a bout. Is it okay for me to fight here today?

◇ Jaehong Park> Not at all.

◆ Seong-Hye Kim> There is no such thing as this case.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> Because I am a fan of Mr. Song Hae.

◆ Minseok Oh> I got a lot of that question you asked a while ago. Actually, I do a lot of research on popular culture in English departments in the US or UK. So, in the case of English at public universities, if you include film criticism, more than 50% of the undergraduate curriculum is actually popular culture research, and that trend is older in the UK and 20 to 30 years ago in the US as well. Because the influence of popular culture is getting stronger and stronger. In the old days, I thought that popular culture was cheap, so it was not about academic research, but the truth is that there is no field of culture that has a stronger influence than popular culture now. For example, BTS is tens of thousands of times more influential than Shakespeare.

◇ Jaehong Park> A few million times.

◆ Minseok Oh> Shakespeare, Hamlet than anything like that. So, they have to be analyzed in some way, and I also have several majors in the English department, majoring in critical theory, and I have lectured a lot on popular culture at school.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> In that sense, I met the national MC, Mr. Song Hae, and I even wrote a biography, but the first time I met him was through the Insa-dong Metropolitan Pharmacy on the street.

◆ Jin Jung-kwon> Is it a capital pharmacy?

◇ Jaehong Park> The second meeting was in Nakwon-dong sauna.

◆ Minseok Oh> Are you still there? It was a Sunday 20 or 30 years ago, and it was a very leisurely time.

◆ Kim Seong-hoe> Not recently, but 20 to 30 years ago.

◆ Minseok Oh> The first time we met was passing the alley of the Metropolitan Pharmacy, and Mr. Song Hae was coming from over there. There’s nobody and I’m passing by. But I’ve never seen a celebrity.

◇ Jaehong Park> Actually.

◆ Minseok Oh> I know an old man, but I can’t remember who it is. So am I my father’s friend? Or were you our homeroom teacher in elementary or middle school?

◇ Jae-Hong Park> I’m familiar with you.

◆ Min-seok Oh> But not on the way, anyway, since I am an old man I know well, I have to say hello. he doesn’t know me

◇ Jaehong Park> Reflexively.

◆ Minseok Oh> So, as I pass by, hello. I don’t know his name and I don’t know who he is. Hello, I hurriedly passed by, but I thought that it had passed about 2m. Then 20 years passed.

◇ Jaehong Park> 20 years later.

◆ Min-seok Oh> We met by chance in a sauna in Nakwon-dong, and then, about two months later, we met again while passing by on the street in Nakwon-dong.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Mostly in Nakwon-dong.

◆ Minseok Oh> I guess it’s because I often go there for drinks with my friends. The teacher’s office is there, and as I was wandering around, the coincidences of meeting and meeting were repeated over and over and that’s how it started.

◆ Seong-Hye Kim> How did you start introducing yourself?

◆ Min-seok Oh> I was so happy to see each other naked in the changing room, so I didn’t cover the front and back and I greeted each other first. And then that day, I am an English scholar, but I am a poet and a literary critic. Since the book of poetry came out, I signed and wrote down my phone number, so you said you would sign for me too. So you sign the book I had and write your phone number on it. But after about three days, I got a call. Because on the first page of that collection of poems, there’s a story about the National Singing Contest, and there’s something like this, Mr. Song Hae. I have enjoyed the National Singing Contest since long ago, but in which program is Kim Chun-Ja? Anyway, a certain old woman with a rustic name appeared on the stage and asked why Song Hae had appeared in the national song show. And then you do, I hope you get well. I’m not going to do this. Then I asked what song would you like to sing, and he sang Changbu Taryeong. He said he was dying of stomach cancer. Changbu taryeong is something like nina no nilniri. I was very sad in itself, the scenery itself. So, on the first page of the poetry book I gave to you, I didn’t comment on it and just described that scene. Kim Chun-ja opened parentheses and came out to be 65 years old, and Song Hae asked this question, and she answered: He then called Changbu Taryeong. There is another story ahead. But I guess he saw it. So, I exchanged phone numbers, but I never thought I would get a call, but the call came and I saw Professor Oh, and I was talking about a singing contest. Let’s have a drink of soju.

◇ Jaehong Park> The two of you.

◆ Minseok Oh> So, one glass of soju becomes two. I like alcohol, too, but he was very strong, so I became close.

(Seoul = Yonhap News) Broadcaster Song Hae, the oldest active MC, passed away on the 8th. He died at the age of 95. According to the police and medical circles, Song passed away on the same day at his home. The picture is of an interview with Yonhap News related to ‘National Singing Contest’ Ulleungdo at the Senior Celebrities Evergreen Association in Jongno-gu, Seoul on August 9, 2019. 2022.6.8 [연합뉴스 자료사진] photo@yna.co.kr Yonhap News
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. So, now that you are close, you decided to write the rest of the biography for him.

◆ Minseok Oh> That’s right.

◇ Jaehong Park> Did the professor make a suggestion first?

◆ Minseok Oh> I made a suggestion. Usually, in the case of an autobiography, celebrities or famous celebrities pay money to ask for it to be written.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> I am different, is this this book?

◆ Minseok Oh> Yes.

◇ Jaehong Park> Make a proposal.

◆ Min-seok Oh> When I made a suggestion, it wasn’t Mr. Song Hae’s words, but what value does a university professor like you write about other things like me? Because of this, I wonder what the teacher would say about popular culture like America or Europe. If you were born in a country where there is a lot of analysis and research, and if you had done this much, you would have already published a dozen biographical books. The teacher is a living museum. When you write about a teacher, it does not end with the story of the teacher, but from the time of Japanese colonial rule to 1927 is in the middle of the Japanese colonial period. The Korean War alone is a huge event, but if you write about the teacher, you can talk about not only the teacher’s personal history, but also the modern and contemporary history of Korea. , black and white, color TV This is a very important record. Teacher, you have to record for the sake of celebrities and juniors. So you agreed.

◇ Jaehong Park> You said that you have been together for a year.

◆ Min-seok Oh> So I had to know, so of course I knew it on my own, but I told you that I was with you for a year. Interview in the morning. In the morning, I ask questions to write a book about my questions and meet at the office. Then, after having lunch together, in the afternoon of the teacher, you should observe who you are and how you live. So, think that I’m not by your side, and just do it the way you are. Then I will continue walking with you like a shadow. So, until you come home in the evening, almost every day I don’t have classes, and almost every day during vacations. Then I just went to every seat, such as the meeting place for those people, the recording of the music stage, etc., watching the teacher next to me and taking notes.

◇ Jaehong Park> It was a very big job.

◆ Minseok Oh> We sing and play together.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> This is a valuable job. didn’t you die maybe it didn’t come out.

◆ Minseok Oh> That’s right.

◇ Jaehong Park> The professor must have always introduced himself while working on a daily basis.

◆ Min-seok Oh> Teacher Song Hae is so humble that he is a professor at Dankook University, and he wants to write my biography. I’ve met so many people who said this, but he’s never said it before. I never said anything like that, and what I said was that this person is a professor of English and has a lot of interest in our world, in the entertainment industry. I’m interested in our world, so I’m going to study now, and they follow me every day like this. Never proud of yourself.

◇ Jaehong Park> It’s impressive.

◆ Minseok Oh> Because there are several celebrities who have written autobiographies. What do I see? I can’t remember, but there are autobiographies of people like Jeon In-kwon and rock Shin Shin-hyun. However, in my view, there are very few celebrities who have written reviews by third parties. So, it’s a good thing for him, and something to be proud of, but he didn’t even tell the world about it until the book came out.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. So, now that you’ve seen Mr. Song Hae up close, don’t we only remember how simple we were on stage? You even looked at the deceased’s usual appearance, what kind of person was he?

◆ Minseok Oh> Actually, there are two things. Being on the same stage above and below the stage is friendly, there is so much affection. And caring for each and every detail. It’s actually deeper and worse off stage.

◇ Jaehong Park> Off the stage.

◆ Minseok Oh> Be more serious.

◇ Jaehong Park> How did you care?

◆ Minseok Oh> I mentioned it on another program a few days ago. It’s the first time we’ve met and we’ve had a relationship like this, and while we’re having a meal together at a baekban restaurant, when I open a spoon to eat, the side dishes are served like this.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> That’s right, they said that you posted side dishes.

◆ Minseok Oh> You scoop up side dishes with your chopsticks and place them on my spoon, but I was completely disarmed by that kindness, so I couldn’t do anything about it. That’s why being kind and warm on and off stage is the same thing, and the fact that it’s slightly different on and off stage isn’t really a charismatic joke off stage.

◇ Jay Park> Charisma off stage.

◆ Minseok Oh> Whether it’s a bar or whatever, the atmosphere is just stuck? Even though you’re doing well.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right.

◆ Min-seok Oh> You are short, but the weight and specific gravity of each seat was really great.

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◇ Jae-Hong Park> He went through hundreds of PDs while broadcasting for such a long time, but our teacher Song Hae said that there was no PD that he never fought with.

◆ Minseok Oh> I heard those words too, and there were times when I witnessed a fight scene.

◆ Minseok Oh> A fighting scene? Recording the National Singing Contest?

◆ Min-seok Oh> First of all, he fought while screaming. Rather than that, he has a very strong desire for stage integrity.

◇ Jaehong Park> Because I have a strong sense of professionalism.

◆ Minseok Oh> This has to be perfect, the stage. It doesn’t end with just watching your MC. Overall, it has to be perfect, for example, when recording, from the perspective of the teacher, there may be various things, such as dislike of the invited singer, or there are people who should not have appeared among the performers or who should not have been selected. No matter what the lighting is or anything like that.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> You must say that.

◆ Min-seok Oh> But when I saw him later, he became famous later, so it’s like Mr. Song Hae is the best, but in the broadcasting system, the PDs are the best, and we are the Eul.

◇ Jaehong Park> A fight that is possible because Song Hae is the teacher.

◆ Min-seok Oh> By the way, even when the teacher was a student, it was like that at the beginning. So I was not afraid and did not hesitate to fight for the integrity of the stage. So, the day before the recording, the band members, officials, and PDs drink beer at a simple draft beer bar, and I always look closely at the teacher in the front or next to Song Hae.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Dog.

◆ Minseok Oh> How in the world can it be so chewy?

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Charge.

◆ Min-seok Oh> And because it is so bloody, people are completely scared and even those who didn’t do anything wrong are scared and cringe. The funny thing is, when I get angry, I don’t go all the time because I get angry, but I throw out gag comments in the middle. So, everyone was scared and then giggled and said this. So I was very nervous at first, but this is a very important scene. Since it’s a scene that the general public can’t see, you should memorize every single comment and use it when writing a biography. So I have to record with a voice recorder because I get so drunk that day that I forget it when I think about the next day. But I was very hesitant whether to put the voice recorder on or not, you are right in front of me. If you put it right here, you don’t want to record this scene you don’t want to miss, so if you yell at me, Professor Oh, what are you doing now? Now is the time to do this or something like this. But not me, this. Books are important. Whatever it is, let’s record it. So I just put it as I see it. I just turned it on and left it, but you know what surprised me again when I saw this guy. not conscious at all Don’t look at it, don’t even care. It folds up tight. Then, I eat snacks, and no, there was just chicken dishes, but one of the snacks fell out and was blown away by the teacher, in this serious atmosphere. So why am I flying there? It was so big that I just saw it. You just stopped talking and Professor Oh, you have to be nice to me. I remember that. But in a way like that, he always keeps his humor even in serious situations, and he doesn’t look at the person’s face when he speaks beast terms. When I look at my face and don’t mention the name of the beast, when I talk, I look at my face, but when I do that, I look at the ground like this.

◇ Jaehong Park> While contemplating.

◆ Minseok Oh> So, be polite.

◇ Jaehong Park> Teacher, what is it? It is said that when you go to perform a number of national singing contests, there is always a place you must stop by if you go to that area.

◆ Minseok Oh> You must have been to the bathroom.

◇ Jaehong Park> The local public bath? Did you go to understand the public sentiment?

◆ Minseok Oh> First of all, if he doesn’t have a special recording schedule, go to the bathroom at 4pm, even in the office. So go ahead and go to hot water instead of hot water? Others are out of breath in the boiling water and can’t stand it. I’ve been doing it side by side. I’m a lot younger and I can’t stand it, mak. He endured more than that and came out, then went to the cold bath again. When I go into the cold bath, I shiver after a while, but there is always something over there. It’s a habit, but the reason why you go to a local singing contest is that you have to talk openly with local residents so that you can talk more closely when you stand on stage.

◇ Jaehong Park> Because you can know the temperature of the area.

◆ Min-seok Oh> So, I went to the bathroom together, but what do we talk about and what should we do? People are just coming. Uh, Songhae, no, people are like this. Talking about everything and laughing out loud.

◆ Kim Seong-hoe> It seems that you enjoyed having conversations like that, Mr. Song Hae.

◆ Minseok Oh> Enjoy and be kind.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> There are members of the National Singing Contest with us. From the perspective of our viewers, I remember a lot of those who played them too, but they said that they worked hard for the members as well. What episodes were there?

◆ Minseok Oh> It was during the Sewol Ferry while I was interviewing. Hundreds of people were suddenly immersed in water in a serious situation, and they giggled and laughed while boasting a national song. The airing of the National Singing Contest has been temporarily suspended. Now that I’m not recording, the members of the band don’t get a guarantee.

◇ Park Jae-Hong> Appearance fee.

◆ Min-seok Oh> It means that my life is not working because I can’t get paid. So, what can I say, if there is an administrative hierarchy, even if we talk about it at the lower level, this does not work out well, so this person went up and just made a discussion. Aren’t these people supposed to make a living? How much have you contributed to the singing contest, please be considerate of it. how much money do you have They set up a negotiation and made them receive all of the postponed fees. After seeing that, I thought that no one in the broadcasting industry would be the best in a relationship like a broadcast producer or a celebrity. You are a great person.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Listening to Lee Sang-byeok’s interview, Song Hae has been broadcasting like that for 30 or 40 years. I always read the script hard and heard that you did your best to prepare for the broadcast.

◆ Min-seok Oh> From the day before, read the script diligently and have a good memory. What does memory really mean? He doesn’t like the old songs that are gone, but anyway, he’s memorizing the lyrics of hundreds or dozens of songs from the first generation of trot, and after that, it’s not like he doesn’t have a cue card. They say they don’t watch cue cards, but I’ve never seen a cue card on stage.

◇ Jaehong Park> On stage.

◆ Minseok Oh> There are no lines and scripts. there is. You watch everything before that, and once you go on stage, you just remember everything and do it without anything, and if that’s the case with us too. For example, a very famous singer came out and I suddenly can’t remember the name, there are times like that. Then it’s great to move on to the term eloquence. You said that to me. There is no way you can forget the name of Mija Teacher. Teacher Lee Mi-ja is coming, but I have to do this, but suddenly I can’t think of it. Then instantly, everyone, do you know who you are?

◇ Jaehong Park> When singers forget their songs.

◆ Min-seok Oh> He has a very good memory, but he has the ability to respond instantly when recording on the spot without looking at the cue card, so this sense and brain are very good, and he has a good memory. It’s really, really, really surprising to watch that from the sidelines.

◇ Jaehong Park> Did you know that you are called the national MC? What does our teacher Songhae do about the title himself?

◆ Minseok Oh> Do you like it, you are satisfied. And I don’t think you always thought of a program like this as a program that only saw a specific audience of that program. Just as we call the teacher the national MC, the teacher seems to have treated this program with the concept of integrating the National Singing Contest at the national level, regardless of gender or age.

◇ Park Jae-hong> After Song Hae passed away, the teacher’s words are also becoming a hot topic. The professor was also writing a biography next to him, and he organized a lot of words and phrases, and I think he listened to them a lot.

◆ Minseok Oh> There are so many, but I didn’t appear in the media very often, but to be fair, I often say things like this.

◇ Jaehong Park> Fairly.

◆ Minseok Oh> Equally and equally. What that means, for example, when recording the National Singing Contest, local administrators, local lawmakers, or local government heads never provide a separate seat, the same. And if there is no seat, ask them to sit in the middle, so it should be fair. And the owners of this stage are not the administrators, but the people and citizens, in their fairness, and in their fairness, at a drinking party. You should drink the same.

◇ Jaehong Park> You must drink the same.

◆ Min-seok Oh> For example, I and Jin Joong-kwon decided to meet, but there were four of us. But, Mr. Jin Jung-kwon arrived an hour late. The three of us ate one bottle each. But you came in the middle. Then you should drink a bottle quickly.

◇ Jaehong Park> You should start drinking one bottle.

◆ Minseok Oh> So this is fair.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> I can’t do it if I’m late.

◆ Minseok Oh> That’s why anyone wants to have a drink with him, and the general public envy him. But nobody can. To enjoy with him, he must be able to drink as much as he is white.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s the condition. You should drink it fairly.

◆ Minseok Oh> There are two things to be fair about. The spirit of equality was good, and I was rehearsing while recording in a certain area in Chungcheong Province, and there are plastic chairs where public officials sit while rehearsing. I brought it to the front, so I was recording and the people couldn’t hear it, so I took it down and did it, and when I asked, I had to sit here, the governor or the councilor, and then I just screamed. Get rid of it now, what are you doing? When you sit in the front seats like that, the entire audience gets nervous. So, if you want to sit, you can sit anywhere behind me and there is no such thing as a special seat. I really liked breaking that hierarchy down at once.

◇ Jaehong Park> Fairly. Since you are teacher Songhae, you can say something. I’m so sorry for the time, it’s almost time to let it go.

◆ Jin Jung-kwon> That’s it. It should take about an hour.

◇ Jaehong Park> I’m so sorry.

◆ Min-seok Oh> I feel at ease because it’s a bout.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Lastly, I hope that our teacher, Song Hae, will be remembered by the people as a kind person. Please tell me about 20 seconds.

◆ Min-seok Oh> What kind of person do you want to be remembered as? Even if you don’t say it, I think all people will remember you as you are. When will the real MC who is loved by the nation come out again? I have such regrets.

◇ Jaehong Park> Teacher Song Hae said this. You said that even if there is only one audience, we have to treat it with the attitude that there are 10,000 people, but we will broadcast like this. The person who spoke today was Professor Oh Min-seok of the Department of English at Dankook University. Thank you.

◆ Minseok Oh> Thank you.

◇ Jaehong Park> See you tomorrow too. one match.